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		<author><name><![CDATA[lgchemer]]></name></author>
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Thanks much for your replies.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://pybullet.org/Bullet/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=9034">lgchemer</a> — Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:12 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[bone]]></name></author>
		<updated>2013-10-01T16:46:59+00:00</updated>

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It depends on what you're simulating. For a simple mass-spring system, there is a simple formula for whether it is too stiff for semi-implicit Euler to be stable. IIRC, the oscillation frequency has to be less than half of the physics sampling frequency.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://pybullet.org/Bullet/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=1626">bone</a> — Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:46 pm</p><hr />
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		<updated>2013-09-30T22:37:54+00:00</updated>

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It is not, however it is "good enough" as per Erin Catto: <a href="https://code.google.com/p/box2d/downloads/detail?name=GDC2009_ErinCatto.zip&amp;can=2&amp;q=" class="postlink">integration slides</a>; <a href="https://code.google.com/p/box2d/downloads/detail?name=GDC2011_Catto_Erin_Soft_Constraints.pdf&amp;can=2&amp;q=" class="postlink">information about implicit, forward and semi-implicit</a>.<br><br>Stability will lower at very low framerates, as the approximation error will be larger and larger.<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://pybullet.org/Bullet/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=10235">RandyGaul</a> — Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:37 pm</p><hr />
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		<author><name><![CDATA[lgchemer]]></name></author>
		<updated>2013-09-30T21:44:49+00:00</updated>

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Hello.<br><br>I just wonder if the (widely used) semi-implicit Euler time integration is "unconditionally stable."<br>My intuition says "no" because the gravity is explicitly integrated.<br>However, I see the simulation is very stable with increase of time step size (although inaccuracy certainly increases).<br><br>Is there any one know if it is unconditionally stable or not.<br>If not, is there any theoretical numerical limit such that the stability is guaranteed?<br><br>Thanks much!!<p>Statistics: Posted by <a href="https://pybullet.org/Bullet/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=9034">lgchemer</a> — Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:44 pm</p><hr />
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