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Re: Multiplication by time step in Sequential Impulses

2013-01-04T16:58:13+00:00

You need to multiply by the timestep ratio if you want to support varying timesteps. I don't remember the details, but you can look it up in Box2D. If you don't support varying timesteps forget about it.

Statistics: Posted by Dirk Gregorius — Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:58 pm

Re: Multiplication by time step in Sequential Impulses

2013-01-04T10:50:14+00:00

The way I understood it is, since the impulse is applied almost instantly, there is no need to integrate the force over time and assume it occurs instantaneously, therefore making P=JT*lambda rather than JT*lambda*h. Is this a correct assumption or should I multiply by the timestep regardless?

I have excluded h from the suspension bridge demo and the harmonic oscillator behaves fine.

Statistics: Posted by c0der — Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:50 am

Re: Multiplication by time step in Sequential Impulses

2013-01-03T16:56:45+00:00

Ok I see. It makes much more sense that way

Thanks a lot Dirk !

Statistics: Posted by Dani3L — Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:56 pm

Re: Multiplication by time step in Sequential Impulses

2013-01-03T16:16:59+00:00

You don't drop, but essentially substitute F * h = P. All this says is that forces and impulses are linear dependent.

Here is where it comes from:

dv/dt = M^-1 * ( f + JT * lambda )
J * v = 0

( v2 - v1 ) / h = M^-1 * ( f + JT * lambda )
v2 = v1 + M^-1 * ( f + JT * lambda ) * h

J * v2 = 0
J * M^-1 * JT * (lambda * h) = -J * ( v1 + M^-1 * f * h )

Here lambda is a force and we relabel lamba' = lambda * h where lambda' is an impulse now.

J * M^-1 * JT * lambda' = -J * ( v1 + M^-1 * f * h )

Statistics: Posted by Dirk Gregorius — Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:16 pm

Multiplication by time step in Sequential Impulses

2013-01-03T10:11:09+00:00

Hello,

I am studying the Sequential Impulse theory for rigid bodies simulation using the slides of Erin Catto from GDC 2009. At the slide 52, it is written that the impulse P is equal to the Force F times the time step h :

P = h F

with the force :

F = J^T lambda

Then, at slide 53, it is written that we have tu update the velocity V2 using the impulse P:

V2 = V2 + M^-1 P

Therefore, according to this equation, the velocity update should be :

V2 = V2 + M^-1 h J^T lambda

However, at slide 56, we see that the velocity update is :

V2 = V2 + M^-1 P

with P = J^T lambda

As you can see here, the multiplication by the time step h has disapeared in the last equation. I have also taken a look at the code of the sequential impulse solver in Box2D and it also seem that we never multiply the force by the time step h to compute the impulse P that we use to update the velocity V2.

There is probably something that I don't understand here but I don't see how we can remove the multiplication by the time step h to compute the impulse P. Does someone has any idea how we can drop this multiplication ?

Statistics: Posted by Dani3L — Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:11 am